[TTCustomer]

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However, according to a spokesman for Phorm, the way the opt-out works means the contents of the websites you visit will still be mirrored to its system. Profiler hardware (see network diagrams here) will simply not categorise the pages or attempt to serve up target ads.

Great!

So let me get this straight. Anything which isn't sent over a secure HTTP connection will be viewable by Phorm regardless of whether you opt in or opt out?

[m0rph3us]

Just implement my solution, I wont charge a ridiculous amount


regards


m0rph3us

[trinity]

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Originally Posted by matt

As I understand it we run the servers in the same way as we run Traffic Shaping servers, proxies and spam filters.

They are purchased and run in house and therefore are not disclosing information to a 3rd party.

But then again I'm no legal expert, I'm just a techie sat at a desk

Matt, I think the point is: if we opt out, we dont want an opt out cookie going to the phorm scanner/servers. We want the opt out cookie to be set and scanned by TalkTalk servers, and then NOT forwarded to phorm for any reason whatsoever.
I think we shall see where TalkTalk stands, by the information that is sent out to all subscribers in writing, before scanning is implememted explaining exactly what is proposed.
It will not be good enough merely to give an opt in/out choice to people who don't frequent this forum, and who have no idea what they are opting for, or what phorm is and does.
My thanks to TalkTalk customer for raising this issue. It would certainly have passed me by!

[Lee]

I met with Matt earlier today and he said there is a few options which could be taken (which i've now forgotten). He should be on later tonight to give you all an update.

[TTCustomer]

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My thanks to TalkTalk customer for raising this issue. It would certainly have passed me by!

Not a problem!

I look forward to seeing what matt has to say.

[pjnsmb]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7280791.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/te...=1&oref=slogin

[matt]

Assuming my notes are correct, here goes ... this is the response

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There has been a huge amount of speculation about Phorm and the possible involvement of Talktalk with their service.

This is the current situation.

• There is no Phorm equipment in our network. We have never run any trials, nor implemented any aspect of this nor any of Phorm’s previous systems in our network.
• We are committed to running a trial with Phorm, but with two very important conditions.
  • Firstly, it will be an Opt In, not an Opt Out service. This means you will have to proactively choose to be a participant of the service.
  • Secondly, those who have not chosen to participate will not ever come into contact with any Phorm equipment hosted within Talktalk. Details of who has membership of Phorm will be maintained in our network, and only those who have chosen to participate will be passed to Phorm.
• We have been reassured by the advice of the Lawyers, Accountants and Home Office that the Phorm project is not an invasion of privacy, and that in fact the protection and integrity of anonymity provided is superior to that which we all experience from using existing Portals and Search Engines on the internet.
• Webwise, does offer real protection against fraudulent phishing sites, which are an increasing problem to our customers, particularly those who are new to broadband.
• By making the service Opt In, we feel the onus remains firmly with Phorm to make the service useful and compelling enough that subscribers will choose to join it. If it fails to do this, it will itself fail.

[halifax50]

By making the service Opt In, we feel the onus remains firmly with Phorm to make the service useful and compelling enough that subscribers will choose to join it. If it fails to do this, it will itself fail.

This is great news, exactly as it should be, choice made by the customer.

Can TT please ensure that when/if the time comes we get plenty of notice, with a simple to use, clear format for making the choice.

Thank You Matt & TalkTalk, I now know which ISP provider I shall be a customer of at the end of my 30 days, Well Done!

[matt]

We will keep you updated with all the latest news.

[clanger9]

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Originally Posted by matt

We will keep you updated with all the latest news.

Excellent. Thanks for your efforts, Matt.
Informed opt-in is good enough for me.